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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    You still need cooks, cleaners, cashiers. All that does is eliminate the order takers.

    BTW, that's how it's done at Wawa. You order from a touch screen, get a ticket, take your ticket to the cashier to pay and get the ticket validated. The cooks call your ticket number, you hand over the valid ticket, they had you the order.
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    Wrong. The cleaning will be farmed out to 2-6 am contractors, 1 person per restaurant, who use magnetic vibrator vacuum wands to clean everything. Cashier is Mr. Computer and the "cook" becomes one cookery loader/unloader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIPS View Post
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    Wrong. The cleaning will be farmed out to 2-6 am contractors, 1 person per restaurant, who use magnetic vibrator vacuum wands to clean everything. Cashier is Mr. Computer and the "cook" becomes one cookery loader/unloader.

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    Yes it is childish to think that a company would "eat" a 50-100% increase in labor costs without seeking alternatives to labor, streamlining labor, or increasing prices.

    Alternatively, McDonald's could choose to run at a loss. Eventually the public and private retirement systems would divest as would the franchisees. In the age of global equity holding a gun to the capitalists' heads over a sunk cost doesn't work anymore. Investors don't want a legacy--investors want a return. Taking the ball and going home has never been easier.

    Or the government could step in and buy or seize every low-wage based business so it could lose money paying artificially high wages to illegals and other unskilled imports, and pump more fiat currency into the system via Goldman Sachs to bring down the value of everyone's wages and further erode the middle class. Waiting in line to buy toilet paper has never looked better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fissile View Post
    You still need cooks, cleaners, cashiers. All that does is eliminate the order takers.

    BTW, that's how it's done at Wawa. You order from a touch screen, get a ticket, take your ticket to the cashier to pay and get the ticket validated. The cooks call your ticket number, you hand over the valid ticket, they had you the order.
    It is so cute when commies try to talk about real world jobs, like a fledgling birdie that fails in it's first flight.
    Chase away any ugly women at the Wawa last night?

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    Sending Out Both Parents to Work and Drive Down Wages in 1974, America Whines in 2014

    Map of Needed “Living Wage” for Family of Four:



    America shot itself in the face by sending out both parents to work in 1974.

    Doubling the workforce allowed employers over-time to drop real wages some 40%.

    The failure to end the need for those involved in medical care to carry unlimited liability insurance, the cost of which they simply pass on, chopped another 10% off real wages.

    Environmental regulations making the cost of employing people in basic manufacturing too expensive drove down labor demand, chopping at least another 10% off real wages.

    So, your real per hour wages compared to the costs of a home (including property taxes), a car (including operation), and utility bills…are probably 40% of what they were in 1969.

    But full awareness of that triple-barreled blast seems to have taken a long time to hit. With America’s lower jaw and eyes now finally noticed to have been blown away, America whines in 2014: Mine isn't a living wage!

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    By Emily Jane Fox @emilyjanefox January 22, 2014

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

    Kevin Burgos works full-time, earns more than the minimum wage and even fixes cars on the side to bring in extra money to support his family.

    Yet, it's barely enough to cover his basic living expenses, and Burgos finds himself in a $600 hole each month.

    Burgos' situation represents the woeful inadequacy of minimum wage and what could be a central question in the income inequality debates -- what is a person's living wage?

    For Burgos, it would mean an additional $6.50 an hour over what he makes now.

    Currently, he makes $10.50 per hour as an assistant manager at Dunkin’ Donuts in Hartford, Connecticut. It's well above both the federal and state minimum wages of $7.25 and $8.70, respectively. It's even more than the $10.10 per hour wage that Senate Democrats are fighting for. He brings in an extra $400 each month by fixing cars on the side.

    He works 35 hours each week to support his family of three young children. All told, Burgos makes about $1,800 each month.

    But his bills for basic necessities, including rent for his two-bedroom apartment, gas for his car, diapers and visits to the doctor, add up to $2,400.

    To cover these expenses without falling short, Burgos would need to make at least $17 per hour. "I am always worried", Burgos said.

    As the debate over the federal wage floor heats up in Washington, experts are making the point that the minimum wage does not equal a living wage.

    Rabbess Amy Glasmeier, a professor of economic geography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has created a living wage calculator based on government data, which bears out this argument.

    She breaks down the total cost of living, including food, housing, transportation, child and health care, based on the county in which people live.

    Glasmeier said the cost of living rises with the size of the metropolitan area you live in.

    For instance, in areas with fewer than 250,000 people, Glasmeier found that the living wage would be between $12 and $15 per hour. In urban areas with 250,000 to 1 million residents, it’s $17, and in those with more than one million residents, it's $20 per hour.

    This is “what you really need to make it, to survive", Glasmeier addled. "The minimum wage was never meant to be something for people to live on."

    Any increase in his wage would make a difference to his life, Burgos said. That's why he participated in several union-backed fast food strikes that have been building momentum across the country in the last couple of years.

    Say they raise the minimum wage to $13 an hour; I’ll still have to struggle. Even that’s really not a living wage".

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    I was in Laguna on one of these warm winter days and decided to eat at Taco Loco on PCH. I spotted the obvious answer, a Mahi Mahi burger that came with a side of rice and chips, as well as a side of avocado salsa. Perfect. Cut the bun, the rice and the chips.

    Once I ordered, the cashier asked, "Rice or chips?"

    "Neither is fine, thank you."

    "Oh, come on. The rice is pretty good."

    I decided the chips would be the easiest choice, since they could easily be transferred to my boyfriend's plate without contaminating my otherwise pristinely healthy dish. HE laughed.

    "Ok, the rice," I conceded.

    As my boyfriend went to pick up our plates, I could hear the cashier say, "See, you gotta trust me. You trust her, you end up paying child support."

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    There is a MINIMUM required amount of food, housing and clothing and thus a minimum wage needed to acquire those things in a modern wage based society. Anyone that calls that 'communism' is so STUPID they need to stop using good air or try living under that minimum for let us say a month .... same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allgoodthings View Post
    There is a MINIMUM required amount of food, housing and clothing and thus a minimum wage needed to acquire those things in a modern wage based society. Anyone that calls that 'communism' is so STUPID they need to stop using good air or try living under that minimum for let us say a month .... same thing.
    I bet the individual in FIPS last post has a smartphone with a data plan, cable TV, Xbox Live Gold account while receiving SNAP food assistance (money), housing assistance (money) and is on medicaid medical insurance.

    He needs $600 a month more since his 35-hour-per-week job doesn't cut it? He can make $1200 a month easily delivering pizzas nights and weekends. But that might cut into Miller Time. On his delivery routes he can reflect upon the wisdom of having three children he could not afford. Last I checked obtaining free birth control is easy for low-income people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allgoodthings View Post
    There is a MINIMUM required amount of food, housing and clothing and thus a minimum wage needed to acquire those things in a modern wage based society. Anyone that calls that 'communism' is so STUPID they need to stop using good air or try living under that minimum for let us say a month .... same thing.
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    1. Gee, and why should the working white middle class give a shit about whether you "acquire those things", when even a toothless peon who climbed the fence to get in on Tuesday seems capable of doing so?

    2. A modern society? Are you serious! Like Detroit perhaps? Or San Francisco, where diseased faggots wander the streets naked, and the Mission District COMMIES threatened to burn down a theatre when one of the actors came out as Republican?

    3. I've been far more poor at points in my life than you will ever be, from living in an apartment building basement boiler room in Chicago (95 degrees in winter and 55 in summer) to a line shack in Nevada with no electricity, plumbing, insulation, or, again, windows. Fuck those not smart enough to work under the table for cash, and never again declare any income to a government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeTwatwadurdurdur
    1. Gee, and why should the working white middle class [care about the conditions that allow its own existance.]
    Because without a working class NO middle class exists stupid. See NO base = No middle = no top = anarchy = NO fucking society at all. Or in other terms: You don't just float on air like the wiff of shit that you seem to be.
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    2. A modern society? [stupid is at stupid does deleted]
    Are you this fucking stupid? Stop the INBREEDING. Now in REAL WOLD in a modern Western advanced society in which folks don't live in mud huts and eat their dead grandmothers, and the WORKING CLASS have the means to fuck and make more working class people at above replacement rates, there are a minimum of basic things required to do the fucking and eating to keep the replacements comings. Like that sort of MODERN society you dimwitted twat. See: Real NSDAP policies 1933-45 NOT movement fantasy 'hitlerism'. Now go and try to live without food for 20 days or STFU.
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    3. I've been far more poor .....
    So you say: I think you are just lying to act cool on the internet bro. Yeah I am calling you a blow hard LARPER play acter. Basically: Just because you are a dumb fuck hick that will take it up the ass from the liberal system does not mean we are all broken spooked cunts that care that you are a punk.
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    Try decaf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allgoodthings View Post
    Because without a working class NO middle class exists stupid. See NO base = No middle = no top = anarchy = NO fucking society at all. Or in other terms: You don't just float on air like the wiff of shit that you seem to be.
    Are you this fucking stupid? Stop the INBREEDING. Now in REAL WOLD in a modern Western advanced society in which folks don't live in mud huts and eat their dead grandmothers, and the WORKING CLASS have the means to fuck and make more working class people at above replacement rates, there are a minimum of basic things required to do the fucking and eating to keep the replacements comings. Like that sort of MODERN society you dimwitted twat. See: Real NSDAP policies 1933-45 NOT movement fantasy 'hitlerism'. Now go and try to live without food for 20 days or STFU.

    So you say: I think you are just lying to act cool on the internet bro. Yeah I am calling you a blow hard LARPER play acter. Basically: Just because you are a dumb fuck hick that will take it up the ass from the liberal system does not mean we are all broken spooked cunts that care that you are a punk.
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    I see you failed to claim you were more capable of fending for yourself than Pablito, even when living in the same city. And you baby harp seal on this idea that we live in a modern Western advanced society...clueless. If you're not capable of earning enough to eat, we well-bred don't want you. You blow like a 3-day dead bear in the forest smacked in the gut which, by the way, will probably loosen his rectum enough for you to find your way.

    ...Also try S P E L L I N G and P U N C T U A T I O N, before suggesting anyone here but you will be chingase su abuela muerto en la nariz.

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